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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/17/2001 1:14 pm  
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  7.1  
 
> The Lord's Baseball Game 
> 
> Bob and the Lord stood by to observe a baseball game. The 
> Lord's team was playing Satan's team. The Lord's team was 
> at bat, the score was tied zero to zero, and it was the 
> bottom of the 9th inning with two outs. 
> 
> They continued to watch as a batter stepped up to the 
> plate whose name was Love. Love swung at the first pitch 
> and hit a single, because Love never fails. 
> 
> The next batter was named Faith, who also got a single 
> because Faith works with Love. 
> 
> The next batter up was named Godly wisdom. Satan wound up 
> and threw the first pitch. Godly Wisdom looked it over and 
> let it pass: Ball one. Three more pitches and Godly Wisdom 
> walked, because Godly wisdom never swings at what Satan 
> throws. The bases were loaded. 
> 
> The Lord then turned to Bob and told him He was now going 
> to bring in His star player. Up to the plate stepped Grace. 
> 
> Bob said, "He sure doesn't look like much!" 
> 
> Satan's whole team relaxed when they saw Grace. Thinking he 
> had won the game, Satan wound up and fired his first pitch. 
> To the shock of everyone, Grace hit the ball harder than 
> anyone had ever seen. But Satan was not worried; his center 
> fielder let very few get by. He went up for the ball, but 
> it went right through his glove, hit him on the head and 
> sent him crashing on the ground; then it continued over the 
> fence for a home run! 
> 
> The Lord's team won. 
> 
> The Lord then asked Bob if he knew why Love, Faith, and 
> Godly Wisdom could get on base but could not win the game. 
> Bob answered that he did not know why. 
> 
> The Lord explained, "If your love, faith and wisdom had won 
> the game you would think you had done it by yourself. Love, 
> faith and wisdom will get you on base, but only My Grace 
> can get you home." 
> 
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/30/2001 5:16 pm  
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  7.3 in reply to 7.1  
 
I asked God to grant me patience. 
God said, No. 
Patience is a by-product of tribulations; 
it isn't granted, it is earned. 
I asked God to give me happiness. 
God said, No. 
I give you blessings. 
Happiness is up to you. 

I asked God to spare me pain. 
God said, No. 
Suffering draws you apart from worldly cares 
and brings you closer to me. 

I asked God to make my spirit grow. 
God said, No. 
You must grow on your own, but I 
will prune you to make you fruitful. 

I asked for all things that I might enjoy life. 
God said, No. 
I will give you life so that you 
may enjoy all things. 

I ask God to help me LOVE others, 
as much as He loves me. 
God said.. Ahhhh, finally you have the idea. 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/15/2001 2:38 pm  
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  7.4 in reply to 7.3  
 
> From: Salas, Christine 

> There once was a man named George Thomas, a pastor in a Small New England 
> town. 
> One Easter Sunday morning he came to the Church carrying a rusty, bent, 
> old birdcage, 
> and set it by the pulpit. Several eyebrows were raised and, as if in 
> response, Pastor Thomas 
> began to speak. 
> "I was walking through town yesterday when I saw a young boy coming toward 
> me swinging this 
> bird cage. In the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with the 
> cold and flying into the sides 
> of the cage in fright. I stopped the lad and asked, "What you got there 
> son?" "Just some old birds," 
> came the reply. "What are you gonna do with them?" I asked. "Take 'em 
> home and have fun with 
> 'em," he answered. I'm gonna tease'em and pull out their feathers to 
> make 'em fight. I'm gonna 
> have a real good time." "But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or 
> later. What will you do then?" 
> "Oh, I got some cats," said the little boy. "They like birds. I'll take 
> 'em to them." 
> The pastor was silent for a moment. "How much do you want for those 
> birds, son?" "Huh??!!! 
> Why, you don't want them birds, mister. They're just plain old field 
> birds. They don't sing -- they 
> ain't even pretty!" " How much?" the pastor asked again. The boy sized 
> up the pastor as if he were 
> crazy and said, "$10?" The pastor reached in his pocket and took out a 
> ten dollar bill. He placed it 
> in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy was gone. The pastor picked up 
> the cage and gently carried it 
> to the end of the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting 
> the cage down, he opened the 
> door, and by softly tapping the bars persuaded the birds out, setting them 
> free. 
> 
> Well, that explained the empty bird cage on the pulpit, and then the 
> pastor began to tell this story......... 
> 
> One day Satan and Jesus were having a conversation. Satan had just come 
> from the Garden of Eden, 
> and he was gloating and boasting. "Yes sir, I just caught the world full 
> of people down there. 
> Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all!" What 
> are you going to do with 
> them?" Jesus asked. Satan replied, "Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm gonna 
> teach them how to bully 
> and divorce each other, how to hate and abuse each other, how to drink, do 
> drugs, smoke and curse. 
> I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and bombs and kill each other. 
> I'm really gonna have fun!" 
> "And what will you do when you get done with them?" Jesus asked. 
> "Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly. "How much do you want for 
> them?" Jesus asked. 
> "Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't no good. Why, you'll take 
> them and they'll just hate you. 
> They'll spit on you, blaspheme and curse you and crucify you!! You don't 
> want those people!!" 
> "How much?" He asked again. Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, "All 
> your tears, and all your blood." 
> Jesus said, "DONE!" Then He paid the price. 
> 
> The pastor picked up the cage he opened the door and he walked from the 
> pulpit. Isn't it odd how simple 
> it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to 
> hell. Isn't it funny how we believe 
> what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Isn't it 
> strange how everyone wants to go to 
> Heaven provided they do Not have to believe, think, say, or do anything 
> the Bible says. Isn't it funny how 
> someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow Satan (who, by the 
> way, also believes" in God.) 
> Isn't it funny how you can send a thousand jokes through e-mail and They 
> spread like wildfire, but when 
> you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about 
> sharing. Isn't it funny how the lewd, 
> crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but the public 
> discussion of Jesus is suppressed 
> in the school and workplace. Isn't it funny how someone can be so fired 
> up for Christ on Sunday but be an 
> invisible Christian the rest of the week. 
> Isn't it funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send 
> it to many on your address list 
> because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you 
> for sending it to them. Isn't it funny 
> how I can be more worried about what other people think of me than what 
> God thinks of me. 
> 
> WILL YOU PASS THIS ON? 
> --------1John 2:15-17 
> 





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/15/2001 4:23 pm  
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  7.5 in reply to 7.4  
 
Hope all had a great weekend - have a very Blessed Week and keep a good 
thought. Thumper 
THE ROAD TO SUCCESS IS NOT STRAIGHT. 

THERE IS A CURVE CALLED FAILURE.... 

A LOOP CALLED CONFUSION... 

SPEED BUMPS CALLED FRIENDS... 

RED LIGHTS CALLED ENEMIES... 

CAUTION LIGHTS CALLED FAMILY... 

YOU WILL HAVE FLATS CALLED JOBS 

BUT... 

IF YOU HAVE A SPARE CALLED DETERMINATION... 

AN ENGINE CALLED PERSEVERANCE... 

INSURANCE CALLED FAITH... 

A DRIVER CALLED JESUS... 

YOU WILL MAKE IT TO A PLACE CALLED SUCCESS! 

PASS IT ON TO PEOPLE WHOM YOU WANT TO SEE BLESSED. 

WORD OF ENCOURAGEMENT !! 
"When Satan is knocking at your door, simply 
say,"Jesus, could you get that? " 





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/21/2001 1:15 pm  
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  7.6 in reply to 7.3  
 

Everything you need to know, you can learn from Noah's Ark... 
One: Don't miss the boat. 

Two: Remember that we are all in the same boat. 

Three: Plan ahead. It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark. 

Four: Stay fit. When you're 600 years old, someone may ask 
you to do something really big. 

Five: Don't listen to critics; just get on with the job that needs 
to be done. 

Six: Build your future on high ground. 

Seven: For safety's sake, travel in pairs. 

Eight: Speed isn't always an advantage. The snails were on 
board with the cheetahs. 

Nine: When you're stressed, float a while. 

Ten: Remember, the Ark was built by amateurs; the Titanic by 
professionals. 

Eleven: No matter the storm, when you are with God, there's 
always a rainbow waiting. 

NOW, wasn't that nice? Pass it along and make someone else smile, too. 

**************************************** 
Grace Hernandez 





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/23/2001 2:53 pm  
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  7.7 in reply to 7.1  
 
Subject: FW: My Attorney 
> > 
> > After living a "decent" life, my time on earth came to an end. 
> > The first thing I remember is sitting on a bench in the waiting 
> > room of what I thought to be a court house. 
> > The doors opened and I was instructed to come in and have a seat 
> > by the defense table. As I looked around I saw the "prosecutor." 
> > He was a villainous looking gent who snarled as he stared at me. 
> > He definitely was the most evil person I have ever seen. 
> > I sat down and looked to my left and there sat my lawyer, a kind 
> > and gentle looking man whose appearance seemed familiar to me. 
> > The corner door flew open and there appeared the judge in full 
> > flowing robes. He commanded an awesome presence as he moved across 
> > the room. I couldn't take my eyes off of him. As he took his seat 
> > behind the bench, he said, "Let us begin." 
> > The prosecutor rose and said, "My name is Satan and I am here to 
> > show you why this man belongs in hell." 
> > He proceeded to tell of lies that I told, things that I stole, and 
> > in the past when I cheated others. Satan told of other horrible 
> > perversions that were once in my life and the more he spoke, the 
> > further down in my seat I sank. I was so embarrassed that I 
> > couldn't look at anyone, even my own lawyer, as the Devil told of 
> > sins that even I had completely forgotten about. 
> > As upset as I was at Satan for telling all these things about 
> > me, I was equally upset at my representative who sat there 
> > silently not offering any form of defense at all. I know I had 
> > been guilty of those things, but I had done some good in my life- 
> > couldn't that at least equal out part of the harm I've done? 
> > Satan finished with a fury and said, "This man belongs in hell, he 
> > is guilty of all that I have charged and there is not a person who 
> > can prove otherwise. 
> > When it was his turn, my lawyer first asked if he might approach 
> > the bench. The judge allowed this over the strong objection of 
> > Satan, and beckoned him to come forward. As he got up and started 
> > walking, I was able to see him in his full splendor and majesty. 
> > I realized why he seemed so familiar. 
> > This was Jesus representing me, my Lord and my Savior. 
> > He stopped at the bench and softly said to the judge, "Hi Dad," 
> > and then he turned to address the court. "Satan was correct in 
> > saying that this man had sinned, I won't deny any of these 
> > allegations. And yes the wage of sin is death, and this man 
> > deserves to be punished." 
> > Jesus took a deep breath and turned to his Father with 
> > outstretched arms and proclaimed, "However, I died on the 
> > cross so that this person might have eternal life and he has 
> > accepted me as his Savior, so he is mine." 
> > My Lord continued with, "His name is written in the book of life 
> > and no one can snatch him from me. Satan still does not understand 
> > yet. This man is not to be given justice, but rather mercy." 
> > As Jesus sat down, he quietly paused, looked at his Father and 
> > replied, "there is nothing else that needs to be done. I've done 
> > it all." The judge lifted his mighty hand and slammed the gavel 
> > down. The following words bellowed from his lips... "This man is 
> > free. The penalty for him has already been paid in full. Case 
> > dismissed." As my Lord led me away, I could hear Satan ranting 
> > and raving, "I won't give up, I'll win the next one." 
> > I asked Jesus as he gave me my instructions where to go next, 
> > "have you ever lost a case?" Christ lovingly smiled and said, 
> > "everyone that has come to me and asked me to represent them has 
> > received the same verdict as you, "Paid in Full." 
> > If you do not pass this along to 15 people immediately, absolutely 
> > nothing will happen. No curse, no bad fortune, absolutely nothing. 
> > Passing this on to anyone you consider a friend, (as I have done 
> > here), will bless you both, that is what Jesus promised us all 
> > 
> 
** If you find this Interesting, There is an event in the Bible in the Old Testament that very few people know about, and it depicts this very event. Zechariah 3:1-10. 




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/23/2001 2:55 pm  
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  7.8 in reply to 7.1  
 

> > >THE POEM 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >I knelt to pray but not for long, 
> > > 
> > >I had too much to do. 
> > > 
> > >I had to hurry and get to work 
> > > 
> > >For bills would soon be due. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >So I knelt and said a hurried prayer, 
> > > 
> > >And jumped up off my knees. 
> > > 
> > >My Christian duty was now done 
> > > 
> > >My soul could rest at ease. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >All day long I had no time 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >To spread a word of cheer. 
> > > 
> > >No time to speak of Christ to friends, 
> > > 
> > >They'd laugh at me I'd fear. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >No time, no time, too much to do, 
> > > 
> > >That was my constant cry, 
> > > 
> > >No time to give to souls in need 
> > > 
> > >But at last the time, the time to die. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >I went before the Lord, 
> > > 
> > >I came, I stood with downcast eyes. 
> > > 
> > >For in his hands God held a book; 
> > > 
> > >It was the book of life. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >God looked into his book and said 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >"Your name I cannot find. 
> > > 
> > >I once was going to write it down... 
> > > 
> > >But never found the time" 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >Now do you have the time to pass it on? 
**************************************** 
Grace Hernandez 





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/30/2001 7:24 pm  
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  7.9 in reply to 7.3  
 
> One day, a father of a very wealthy family took his son on a trip to the 
> country with the firm purpose of showing his son how poor people can be. 
> 
> They spent a couple of days and nights on the farm of what would be 
> considered a very poor family. On their return from the trip, the father 
> asked his son, "How was the trip?" 
> 
> "It was great, Dad." 
> 
> "Did you see how poor people can be?" the father asked. 
> 
> "Oh yeah," said the son. 
> 
> "So what did you learn from the trip?" asked the father. 
> 
> The son answered, "I saw that we have one dog and they have four. 
> 
> We have a pool that reaches to the middle of our garden and they have a 
> creek that has no end. 
> 
> We have imported lanterns in our garden and they have the stars at night." 
> 
> "Our patio reaches to the front yard and they have the whole horizon. 
> 
> We have a small piece of land to live on and they have fields that go 
> beyond our sight. 
> 
> "We have servants who serve us, but they serve others. 
> 
> We buy our food, but they grow theirs. 
> 
> "We have walls around our property to protect us and they have friends to 
> protect them." 
> 
> With this, the boy's father was speechless. 
> 
> Then his son added, "Thanks, Dad, for showing me how poor we are." 
> 
> Too many times we forget what we have and concentrate on what we don't 
> have. What is one person's worthless object is another's prize 
> possession. It is all based on one's perspective. 
> 
> Makes you wonder what would happen if we all gave thanks to God for all 
> the bounty we have been provided by Him instead of worrying about wanting 
> more. 
> 
> May God bless each and every one of you. Take joy in all that He has 
> given us, especially our Friends. 




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/31/2001 9:39 am  
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  7.10 in reply to 7.4  
 
> 
> Scripture: Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without 
> covetousness; and be content with such things as ye 
> have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor 
> forsake thee. 
> 
> 
> 
> We often abandon or isolate ourselves because of things we have done. 
> But when we are fearful or feeling separated, we should not give up. 
> We must trust God to deliver us in spite of our past or seemingly 
> bleak future. Remember suffering does not mean that God has abandoned 
> you. At times believers may actually suffer more than unbelievers 
> because those who follow God sometimes become Satan's special 
>targets. 
> Believers, therefore, may have to endure hardship, persecution, or 
> testing. This was the case with Job. We must be prepared for Satan's 
> attacks. When we suffer, we must not conclude that God has abandoned 
> us. He did not abandon Job. Consistent faith is the way to defeat 
> Satan. 
> 
> Praise God from whom all blessings flow! 




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/31/2001 9:41 am  
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  7.11 in reply to 7.4  
 
>> I had on new clothes, 
>New sneaks on my feet. 
>was there for class on time, 
>Went to the back and took my seat. 
>Yeah, I'm moving up, 
>I'm already grown. 
>Soon I'll be graduating, 
>And out on my own. 
>I talked to some of my friends, 
>We were all having fun. 
>Said some things I shouldn't have said, 
>Did stuff I shouldn't have done. 
>I knew I was different. 
>I felt God touch my heart, 
>I knew I should set a standard, 
>But then I'd be set apart. 
>Walking to the bus, 
>I was not looking for strength. 
>I heard the car tires screeching, 
>But now it's too late. 
>I'm standing in this room, 
>And I can see the heavenly gate. 
>Oh no! I never prayed. 
>I thought I had time to get it straight. 
>An angel walked to me, 
>He had a book in his hand. 
>I knew it was the Book of Life, 
>When would this dream end? 
>I told him my name, 
>And he began to look. 
>Then he looked at me sadly and said, 
>Your name is not in this book. 
>Angel, this is a dream, 
>No, I can't be dead! 
>He closed the book and turned away, 
>He whispered - You cannot proceed ahead. 
>No...no this can't be real, 
>Angel, you can't turn me away. 
>Let me talk to God, 
>Maybe he'll let me stay. 
> 
>He led me to the gate, 
>Jesus came to me. 
>He did not let me in but said, 
>Beloved what is your need? 
>Jesus, I cried, please, 
>Don't cast me away from you. 
>Tears ran down his face as he said, 
>You knew what you needed to do. 
>Lord, please I'm young, 
>I never thought I would die. 
>I thought I'd have plenty of time, 
>Death caught me by surprise. 
>Lord, I went to church, 
>Please Jesus, I believe. 
>He said you would not accept me, 
>My love you would not receive. 
>Lord, there were too many hypocrites, 
>They weren't being true. 
>He took a step back and asked, 
>What does that have to do with you? 
> 
>Lord, my family claimed to be saved, 
>They weren't real. You know. 
>He said, I died for you, 
>Now I have to go. 
>I fell to my knees crying to Him, 
>Lord, I planned to be real tomorrow. 
>I couldn't, make Him understand, 
>I had never -- felt such sorrow. 
>Then it hit me hard, I said, 
>Lord, where will I go? 
>He looked into my eyes and said, 
>My child you already know. 
>Please Jesus, I begged,The place is so hot. 
>It seemed to trouble and grieve him, 
>He whispered, DEPART FROM ME, I KNOW YOU NOT. 
> 
> 
>Lord, you're supposed to be love, 
>How can you send me to damnation? 
>He replied, With your mouth you said you loved me, 
>But each day you rejected my salvation. 
>With that in an instant, 
>Day turned into night. 
>I never knew such torture could be, 
>Now too late, I know the Bible is right. 
>If I can tell you anything, 
>Hell has no age. 
>It is a place of torture, 
>Separated from God and full of rage. You know, I thought it was funny -- a 
>joke, 
>But this one thing is true. 
>If you never accept Jesus Christ, 
>HELL IS WAITING FOR YOU! 
> 
>So please, ask Him into your heart. 




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/8/2001 10:19 am  
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  7.12 in reply to 7.4  
 
Wishing to encourage her young son's progress on the piano, a mother took 
the 
small boy to a concert featuring a renowned pianist. After they were 
seated, 
the mother spotted a friend in the audience and walked down the aisle to 
greet her. Seizing the opportunity to explore the wonders of the concert 
hall, the little boy rose and eventually explored his way through a door 
marked "NO ADMITTANCE." When the house lights dimmed and the 
concert was 
about to begin, the mother returned to her seat and discovered that her 
son 
was missing. The curtains parted and spotlights focused on the impressive 
grand piano on stage. In horror, the mother saw her little boy sitting at 
the 
keyboard, innocently picking out "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star." 
At that 
moment, the great piano master made his entrance, quickly moved to the 
piano, 
and whispered in the boy's ear, "Don't quit. Keep playing." 
Then, leaning 
over, the great pianist reached down with his left hand and began filling 
in 
a bass part. Soon his right arm reached around to the other side of the 
child 
and he added a running obligato. Together, the old master and the young 
novice transformed a frightening situation into a wonderfully creative 
experience. The audience was mesmerized. That's the way it is with God. 
What 
we can accomplish on our own is hardly noteworthy. We try our best, but 
the 
results aren't exactly graceful flowing music. But with the hand of the 
Master, our life's work truly can be beautiful. Next time you set out to 
accomplish great feats, listen carefully. You can hear the voice of the 
Master whispering in your ear, "Don't quit. Keep playing." Feel 
His loving 
arms around you. Know that His strong hands are playing the concerto of 
your 
life. Remember, God doesn't call the equipped, He equips the called. He'll 
always be there to love and guide you on to great things. Keep the faith, 
and 
keep playing. Together, you and the Master will make beautiful music. 
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/13/2001 7:20 pm  
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  7.13 in reply to 7.4  
 
> Subject: What if, GOD treated us the way we treat Him? 
> 
> What if, GOD couldn't take the time to bless us today because we 
> couldn't 
> >take the time to thank Him yesterday? 
> > 
> >What if GOD decided to stop leading us tomorrow because we didn't follow 
> >Him 
> >today? 
> > 
> >What if, we never saw another flower bloom because we grumbled when GOD 
> >sent 
> >the rain? 
> > 
> >What if GOD didn't walk with us today because we failed to recognize it 
> as 
> >His day? 
> > 
> >What if, GOD took away the Bible tomorrow because we would not read it 
> >today? 
> > 
> >What if, GOD took away His message because we failed to listen to the 
> >messenger? 
> > 
> >What if, GOD didn't send His only begotten Son because He wanted us to be 
> >prepared to pay the price for sin. 
> > 
> >What if, the door of the church was closed because we did not open the 
> door 
> >of our heart? 
> > 
> >What if, GOD stopped loving and caring for us because we failed to love 
> and 
> >care for others? 
> > 
> >What if, GOD would not hear us today because we would not listen to Him? 
> > 
> >What if, GOD answered our prayers the way we answer His call to 
> >service? 
> > 
> >What if, GOD met our needs the way we give Him our lives??? 
> > Zechariah 1:6 .. according to our ways, and according to our doings, so hath He dealt with us.






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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/13/2001 7:22 pm  
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  7.14 in reply to 7.4  
 
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Diligence 

1 Chronicles 21:1 Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to 
number Israel. 

It is popular today to talk about the authority we have over Satan in 
Christ. It is less popular to speak about the ability Satan has to tempt us, 
afflict us (Job 2:7), and deceive us. "But I am afraid, lest as the serpent 
deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds should be led astray from the 
simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ." 2 Corinthians 11:3 One of the 
ways to protect ourselves from the evil one is by exercising diligence in 
our walk with the Lord. 

The more we find ourselves in diligent service and communion with Christ the 
less opportunity there will be for Satan to tempt us. There is the old 
saying that idle hands are the devils tools. The more we engage ourselves in 
doing things that are pleasing to the Lord the less likely we are to find 
ourselves about the devils work. 

A minister was counseling a woman many years ago and she asked his advice on 
how to resist temptation. He replied, "Never be idle, but be always well 
employed; for in my own experience I have found this, when the devil came to 
temp me, I would tell the devil, 'I am not at leisure to hearken to your 
temptations; and by this means I did resist his assaults.'" Idleness tempts 
the devil to tempt us. 

This is also the admonition to us in Hebrews 7:11, 12. "And we desire that 
each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance 
of hope until the end, that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those 
who through faith and patience inherit the promises." Interesting here how 
diligence is a means to obtaining assurance of faith. It is an evidence that 
we are Children of the living God if we are diligent people. 

I have worked many jobs over the years. I have worked in construction 
swinging a 16 pound sledge hammer and I have worked as a pastor. Physically 
I find that when I work jobs that require great physical effort I am in 
better shape. It makes sense that this would be true. However, when I work a 
job that is more sedentary I find it harder to remain in good physical 
condition. It is the same with our spiritual lives. By staying active in the 
Word and prayer we stay in better spiritual shape than if we ignore these 
Christian duties. It is also true that the more diligent we are in our 
spiritual duties the more "in shape" we are spiritually. So let us seek to 
deepen our walks with the Lord and diligently serve, worship and adore Him. 






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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/25/2001 7:11 pm  
To:  ALL   (15 of 35)  
 
  7.15 in reply to 7.6  
 
This is for all the women out there..............{: -D 
Women's Liberation 

When I was growing up in the 70's, women were being "liberated" from the 
"bonds" of the traditional lifestyle of women. We had "come a long way, 
baby," because we now had our own brand of cigarettes! Modest clothing was 
viewed by some as restrictive. Some women left their families to "find 
themselves." Of course, some good things came out of that movement: We women 
were shown more respect, and our God-given gifts were recognized more 
readily. 

But there was a flip side, too. We women gave away our birthrights for a 
bowl of pottage. (See Gen. 26:29-34) Those who sought to "find themselves" 
too often found their selfish pursuit of happiness to be fruitless and 
empty. The movement took on a strident tone that alienated non-supporters, 
and caused tension in families and friendships. And ironically, some 
feminists have found themselves in prisons of loneliness because "I don't 
need a man - I am fine on my own." Prisons of addiction. Prisons of the 
relentless and futile yearning for fulfillment via getting ahead on the 
career ladder. 

We Christian women didn't need the Women's Lib movement. As soon as we 
trusted Christ as Savior, we became liberated. Liberated on a higher plane. 

John 8:36 (NNAS) So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. 

We have been liberated from Hell, from sin. We found that the power provided 
by Christ is more fulfilling than the "power" of promoting our rights as 
women. And the true Christian faith, if lived as our Lord wants it to be 
lived, is very respectful of women. Our Lord turned cultural laws upside 
down. He did the unthought of -- He spoke to a Samaritan woman! He treated 
her like a human being worthy of interaction! In addition, there were women 
on His ministry team: 

Mark 15:41 (NNAS) When He was in Galilee, they used to follow Him and 
minister to Him; and there were many other women who came up with Him to 
Jerusalem. 
And submission is misperceived by some angry feminists (i.e. those who rail 
against the Promise Keeepers). Yes, the concept is misunderstood and abused 
by some men. But true submission and leadership, practiced as God intended, 
is not a shackle; it's a gift. Christlike leadership is protective, loving, 
respectful, and not bullying. Christianity is the best thing that ever 
happened in the arena of respect for women. 

God provides love and respect for women: 

Eph 5:25 (NNAS) Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the 
church and gave Himself up for her. 

God provides materially for women, through the family and church: 

1 Tim 5:3-4 (NNAS) Honor widows who are widows indeed; but if any widow has 
children or grandchildren, they must first learn to practice piety in regard 
to their own family and to make some return to their parents; for this is 
acceptable in the sight of God. 
God gifts women: 

Though some cultures and churches do not allow women to use their God-given 
gifts, God gifts us generously, including those who speak forth His word. 

Acts 2:18 (NIV) Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my 
Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. 

If you have not yet received the extraordinary gift of freedom that God 
wants to give you - if you do not know for certain that you are spending 
eternity with God, write me or any webservant writer to find out more about 
this. Christ loves you, gave Himself for you, and yearns to set you free 
spiritually, emotionally and physically. 






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  From:  Dr_Shock   6/26/2001 12:49 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (16 of 35)  
 
  7.16 in reply to 7.15  
 
So, my question: Is it better to be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen than an educated, self reliant, equal partner in a family? And since when did women (in general) have a problem with eventually marrying a man or having children? I'm happily engaged, myself. In today's world of economic ups and downs, isn't it wiser to have both partners capable of supporting the family? 
Why shouldn't the kids be partly the father's social responsibility? Shouldn't a family be a coherent working unit with effort being given from all sides? What if the woman is the main breadwinner in the family or if the couple has decided mutually not to have children? 

What is so wrong about a woman being able to take care of herself since most men these days don't even stick around to take care of their kids? 

I'm no feminist, but last I checked equal rights were for all. 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/26/2001 10:38 am  
To:  Dr_Shock   (17 of 35)  
 
  7.17 in reply to 7.16  
 
Christianity Has Done More for Women than Anything you could ever drum up!!
God is the Original Equal opportunity Person. Humans are ONLY Equal in God.

It isnt just Male and Female, what about the various ethnic races. Again Only Equal in Jesus.

Galatians 3:27,28 For as many of you as have been Baptized into Christ have Put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither Male nor Female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 






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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/26/2001 4:59 pm  
To:  ALL   (18 of 35)  
 
  7.18 in reply to 7.1  
 
Hi All, 
I was replying to an email when it dawned in me that we could all use 
this encouragment. Let TRUTH reign in our hearts All the days of our 
lives!!!!:):):):) 
It is definetly good to realize that "God is in all the places we are." 
Persist, I tell ya. Consider every offense as a Job trail, not a job, 
JOB, as in LOST EVERYTHING!!! One we, we can consider how blessed we have 
it compared to Job and two we can learn that VICTORY IS IN OUR PRAISE, 
woo, that brings tears to my eyes just saying it. Just this morning I 
told the Lord : "Every time I have a funny or negative thought, contrary 
to the word of God, I will PRAISE YOU JESUS, instead of letting those 
thoughts rule me.. Please Lord put the desire of praise in our hearts 
today and forever more. Help us in the midst of our day to simply PRAISE 
AND THANK YOU, more times then we can count!!!" The devil IS DEFEATED, 
not gonna be defeated, "Ta La HO", Hebrew, for "IT IS FINISHED". JEsus 
said it himself on the cross. 
Be Blessed and be a blessing today. God told Abraham: "I will bless you 
and you will bless others." 
Give a little of what Jesus has given you to someone else today, even if 
they do not want it. Like grace or mercy, they may not even realize it 
but Jesus will. 
Peace and Persistance my sista's and brotha's. 

Diana G 






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  From:  Dr_Shock   6/26/2001 8:41 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (19 of 35)  
 
  7.19 in reply to 7.17  
 
<<<Christianity Has Done More for Women than Anything you could ever drum up!!>>> 
I ask some reasonable questions and you fly off the handle. Geeze... 

That didn't answer any of my questions, all of which dealt with the social beliefs of Christianity.


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   From:  StevenJn316   6/27/2001 3:38 pm  
To:  Dr_Shock   (20 of 35)  
 
  7.20 in reply to 7.16  
 
Here are my thoughts, as one who is married to a registered nurse with many degrees who now stays home (by her own choice) to raise our two-year old son. 

<So, my question: Is it better to be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen than an educated, self reliant, equal partner in a family?> 

My wife is educated, self-reliant and an equal partner in the family, and also wears shoes most of the time. You see some sort of either/or here?? 

<Why shouldn't the kids be partly the father's social responsibility?> 

Actually the Bible puts the emphasis on education, discipline etc. of the children upon the fathers. I am very responsible for my son's social upbringing. 

<Shouldn't a family be a coherent working unit with effort being given from all sides?> 

Yes, did anyone say raising children was not work or required no effort? Did anyone say fathers were not to help around the house? I sure help a lot. Vaccum, dishes, laundry, diapers you name it. 

<What if the woman is the main breadwinner in the family> 

Certainly you realize ours is a unique time and nation in terms of the equal opportunities (mostly) available for women in the work force. So to answer your question, I see nothing Biblically wrong if a MUTUAL agreement is made within the family for the Dad to stay home and the Mom work. However, both parents working at the expense of the small children is a mistake. Also, deadbeat men (of which there are many) who live off their wife while they lazy around the house all day are also in the wrong. But if your wife is a highearning CEO, lawyer or the like, OR if the Dad can work out of the house via computer and the like, I see no problem. 

<or if the couple has decided mutually not to have children?> 

This is against the will of God for married couples in my opinion of Scripture. Our son is adopted by the way. If Christians are to be against abortion (and we are) we should be first in line to adopt the babies too. The only reason to not have children I see is selfish, more money and time for the parents. That is not Biblical. Maybe you can think of a nonselfish reason I am missing we can discuss. 

<What is so wrong about a woman being able to take care of herself since most men these days don't even stick around to take care of their kids?> 

Huh? Do you mean men divorce or do not stick around because they are playing golf? Either one is wrong of course. And I think parents should see that their girls get a college education just like their boys, and major in something besides looking for a husband. The Bible does not teach against education of children of either sex. 

<I'm no feminist, but last I checked equal rights were for all.> 

Yep, and all you have to do is look at your cultures which are dominated by Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism (and not Western ideals) to see the difference with those lands with a Christian heritage. How much freedom do those women have? I know firsthand about India and Hinduism, I sure see a lot about Islamic nations, and I think women in Buddhist households have a second class stigma as well. 

Regards. 



 
  
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  7.21 in reply to 7.20  
 
STEVENJN316 wrote:
And I think parents should see that their girls get a college education just like their boys, and major in something besides looking for a husband.
  I don't find anything to disagree with in your posting.  It's just that when I saw this statement, a common Mormon joke came to mind, along with a more personal joke that ties in to the first.  As you probably know, the Mormon church operates a major university, known as Brigham Young University.  As you might be less aware, Mormonism places a very high importance on marriage, and BYU has something of a reputation as a place where young Mormon students often find their mates.  (That's where my own parents met each other.)  The common joke about BYU is that Mormon families send their daughters there to work on their Mrs. degrees.

  The more personal joke concerns my brother, a scandalous fellow who, on achieving his bachelor's Degree from BYU, was still a bachelor.



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/27/2001 11:57 pm  
To:  ALL   (22 of 35)  
 
  7.22 in reply to 7.1  
 

Do I Know You? 
Luke 13:25 (NLT) Then you will stand outside knocking and pleading, "Lord, 
open the door for us!" But he will reply, "I do not know you." 26 You will 
say, "But we ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets." 27 And 
he will reply, "I tell you, I don't know you..." 

If you are a fan of the National Basketball Association (NBA), you might be 
impressed if I told you that I know Grant Hill of the Detroit Pistons. You 
may be even more impressed to know that when he attended Duke University, I 
once ate dinner next to Hill, his mom and his dad. I have even had a 
meaningful conversation with his mom. You might just call me crazy to know I 
named my Dachshund after him. I really like Grant Hill, his family and the 
values that they seem to have. As the commercials say, "I am a BIG FAN!" If 
you were to run into him and ask, "Hey Grant, do you know that guy David in 
North Carolina, who writes devotionals?" he would have no idea whom you are 
talking about. The real question is "does he know me?" No, he does not know 
me, but I do know him well. But I am a fan, not a friend. 

Some of us grew up in a church or we have been studiously studying the Bible 
for years. We can quote the books of the Bible in order, we know all the 
stories about Jesus, we know His miracles, and we know the story of His 
birth, life, death and resurrection. Some of us know a lot about Jesus. The 
question is: Are we merely fans of Jesus, learning all we can about Him, or 
are we friends of Jesus? Is there a bona-fide relationship going on between 
us? My worst nightmare is to die and hear Jesus say to me, "sorry, I don't 
know you." Ouch. 

I have a homework question for you. I hope this will help you discern 
between knowing about Christ and really knowing Him. This question was once 
posed to my Tuesday morning men's Bible Study group and the result was very 
telling and interesting. The assignment is simply to write down on paper, 
your story about when you came to faith in Christ. That's it. You don't even 
have to share the story with anyone. Now some of you are thinking, "easy 
one, David. On June 23, 1969, I broke down and finally gave my life over to 
Christ." Some of you will say, "oh that's easy; let me go get my certificate 
of Baptism, Confirmation or Church Membership out of the family Bible." 
Several men in my Bible Study group, who grew up in a church, confided that 
they could not even begin to write their story. They never had a "lightning 
bolt" experience with Christ. They don't recall when they let Him in their 
life. Are you like that? Some people get really hung up with hearing people 
quote the exact date and circumstances they can recite about "crossing the 
line" between being a believer and a nonbeliever. 

Now watch this: Suppose I ask you, "when did Christ first start to have an 
impact on your life? When could you see that changes were being made in your 
life?" Hopefully you can answer that. No you don't need a specific date, but 
generally you know when things started changing. And that was the beginning 
of when you went from being a fan, to being a friend of Christ. 

Well, that's it -- a simple little message today -- but one I pray you will 
take to heart. Try to answer the homework question. Write down your story 
and track your growth. Are you more a friend of Christ now than last year? 
Are you more intimate with Christ now than a year ago? If so, great -- if 
not, something needs to change. 

Father, help some of us move from being just a fan of Christ to being a 
friend. Help others of us to move from a casual friendship to a more serious 
relationship. Increase in us our hunger for your Word and our hunger for 
intimacy with Your Son. In His name, Amen. 

David Massey 

david@e-devotionals.org 





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  From:  Dr_Shock   6/28/2001 4:28 am  
To:  StevenJn316   (23 of 35)  
 
  7.23 in reply to 7.20  
 
A lot of what you said emphasized choice and agreement in a relationship, which is good. If someone chooses to do something or if the feeling is mutual between the couple its all fine and dandy. The original post that started this thread emphasized a woman's "submissiveness" to her husband, which I don't agree with, however. 
About a couple not having children: 

Although I plan to have kids someday by adopting if nothing else, I can see why some people would be weary about bringing another life into the world. After all, you can't even be certain that your kids will be safe at school anymore. Plus you've got drugs and alcohol to worry about. Although you can teach you children about these things on your own the misinformation they receive in school on the subject is astounding. For example, most public drug education is based on exaggeration. The DARE program teaches that Ecstasy (MDMA) has only been around for 30 years with no extensive studies ever done on humans when, in fact, its been around since 1904 and is still used in some countries for psychological treatment. If a child were to research this as they become older they would soon notice the inconsistency. And you know how some teenagers can be; Lie to them once and then everything is a lie, making it okay for them to do their own experimentation. 

My point: I can understand why some couples wouldn't want to bring a child into a world as messed up as the one we live in today. With the current social tides, its almost impossible to guarantee that they would be able to grow up safe, strong and happy. 



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  From:  StevenJn316   6/28/2001 12:59 pm  
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  7.24 in reply to 7.23  
 
If the world is so messed up (which it is, I agree with you), it will take people to make it better, right? Why not bring one more person into the world and raise him or her the right way to make a difference in changing society for the better??? In other words, should only those people who are responsible for the messed up world be bringing kids in who will learn from their parents and keep messing up the world???? 
And if fear for safety or the other issues you mentioned is the reason, why not put your trust in God for protection?? That is the issue the Christian faces. My context was from that perspective, not that every unbelieving couple should be mandated to reproduce or something..... 
 
  
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  From:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   6/28/2001 7:46 pm  
To:  StevenJn316   (25 of 35)  
 
  7.25 in reply to 7.24  
 
Wow, that is a good way of twisting another's words. DS asked a hypothetical question, not stating that people should not be brought into this world, but more stating that it is wise to excercise caution (from how I interpreted it) with how and when you bring someone into the world. IMHO this means not having kids you can't raise or can't afford to raise. 
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  From:  Dr_Shock   6/30/2001 7:21 am  
To:  StevenJn316   (26 of 35)  
 
  7.26 in reply to 7.24  
 
There are other things that need to be taken into consideration, as well. Why not adopt instead of having children? We've already got millions of unwanted children in the world, along with a bit of a population problem, so why not adopt instead of breed? 
Okay, so the kid might not be of a given couples genetic material, but does that really matter?


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  From:  StevenJn316   7/1/2001 2:26 pm  
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  7.27 in reply to 7.26  
 
I think I went on record as to my support for adoption earlier, so we are in agreement there. 
Sadly, the adoption laws are so difficult that many parents wait years to adopt, and also despite those millions of unwanted children, very few of them would be eligible to enter the USA even if we wanted to adopt them, I am sorry to say. 

As one who adopted a son from India I know what I speak about here, and the 'tests' that we have to satisfy with the INS (not to mention the foreign nation involved) just to adopt one of these kids who otherwise would starve or die of disease.
 
  
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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/1/2001 4:12 pm  
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  7.28 in reply to 7.27  
 
I've heard about the difficulties involved. My new landlord was just approved as of a week ago. I guess she had been trying some time to adopt and now she's trying to adopt a second child. 
I think it should be made a little easier to adopt although, in my personal opinion, anyone who has kids should be made to take some sort of parenting class. I don't mean a class that tells you how to raise your child, but rather a class that teaches some basic things about kids. A lot of new parents, while providing a good environment for the child, don't know how to properly care for a baby, a toddler or even a teenager. It might seem like a stupid idea, but in a recent poll 25% of new parents didn't even know that shaking a baby could be fatal.


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  From:  StevenJn316   7/2/2001 12:35 pm  
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  7.29 in reply to 7.28  
 
Sounds like a good idea for a high school class - basic parenting. 
I have often wished more high schools offered classes in 'real world' basics like what auto insurance does (differences between collision & comprehensive etc.), how to balance a checkbook, how interest on cars and houses works, basic tax ideas (expemptions etc.) 

I know of kids on their first job being asked how many exemptions to claim, being told the more they claim, the more money they keep each check, so they claim 5!!! The boss says nothing and then they get audited and penalized...
 
  
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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/3/2001 10:11 am  
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  7.30 in reply to 7.29  
 
One big problem with today's educational system is the lack of training in basic stuff which everyone needs to know. These days, parents are grooming their kids for college beginning as eairly as 6 years old, often ignoring things like teaching the children monitary responsibility. In the end, everyone needs to learn things like balanceing a check book, getting a job and functioning in our highly beaurocratic society. 
What parents don't seem to understand is that a child, no matter how hard you push them into something, can't always become what you want them to be. Hence why even the best colleges have at least a 40% freshman dropout rate. As any shrink will tell you not every kid has the ability or drive to be a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer. Some kids don't even have the ability to learn as well as their peers in a traditional educational system. However, as long as the child has support from their parents, they will eventually take a liking to something and want to become proficient in it. 

If everyone sends their kids to college, what will happen to skill or trade based jobs like mechanics or house builders? You can't learn things like that in a traditional college. Most parents don't seem to understand that their kid might like working with his hands better than sitting in front of a computer screen all day (which is where most jobs are going). An ivory tower society of all college graduates just doesn't work. But, despite this, the majority of parents would have their kid taking AP Chemistry in highschool rather then a life builder class. 

Even then, whats the point of taking AP chem in highschool when you're just going to be forced to retake it in college? Math classes are an exception to this because most of being good at math is a matter of repatition. Other subjects, however, are often rehashed in college without much reason. 

When I was in gradeschool the teacher told me that when I was in middle school no one would hold my hand anymore. When I was in middle school the teacher told me that no one would hold my hand in high school. When I got to high school, they said the same thing about college... Then why the heck can I (and most people for that matter) only show up to class two days a week an pass with a B or better? I'm in my third year and have only recently learned new material. And I'm not the only one who complains about this (most college students do). I think it would be better if the American educational system would learn a bit of timing, don't you think?


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  From:  StevenJn316   7/3/2001 10:49 am  
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  7.31 in reply to 7.30  
 
Well, we seem to be in agreement on a lot here. As to all going to college, I did not mean that (though obviously it is beneficial for a higher paying career) however one could substitute a trade school after high school if one wanted to learn to be a mechanic or the like. 
I support all honest work, and do not think there are unimportant jobs. 

By the way, I took AP chemistry and AP history in high school and it allowed me college credit of 10-11 units. I satisfied my 6 hours of history and one science class of 4/5 hours I needed for my business (marketing) degree. Did you not take the AP test, or did you not do well enough. That is the point of AP classes, to get college credit. 

Since I also took advanced calculus in high school I was able to waive 6 hours of math classes (I still had to take those 6 hours, but they were now free electives of my choosing). 

 
  
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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/3/2001 10:56 am  
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  7.32 in reply to 7.31  
 
A lot of colleges don't accept post secondary credit. I had over 30 credits (which would have completely finished my required crap) from high school which my colllege wouldn't accept. Its a matter of what college you're going to and what highschool you went to. Basically, the credit was no good if I went to an out of state college (which I did).


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  From:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   7/3/2001 12:05 pm  
To:  StevenJn316   (33 of 35)  
 
  7.33 in reply to 7.29  
 
Sounds like a good idea for a high school class - basic parenting.
You'd have to make that Middle School nowadays. :0)

I know of kids on their first job being asked how many exemptions to claim, being told the more they claim, the more money they keep each check, so they claim 5!!! The boss says nothing and then they get audited and penalized...

I don't think you get into any trouble if you claimed 10 exemptions on your W2. It is if you claimed them on your income tax return that will get you audited. The exemptions are a tool to try to get your taxes to level out to zero at the end of the year. If the student claimed 5 exemptions, he would simply owe the money that was not withheld when April 15th rolled around.






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  From:  StevenJn316   7/3/2001 12:27 pm  
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  7.34 in reply to 7.32  
 
Bummer, I also went to an out of state school but mine were accepted. 
  
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   From:  StevenJn316   7/3/2001 12:31 pm  
To:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   (35 of 35)  
 
  7.35 in reply to 7.33  
 
True, except if you underwithhold you are subject to penalties. 
So not only does that person get a surprise on April 15th, but gets socked with penalties. 

Otherwise, all the ballplayers, actors and other superrich would not have anything withheld all year and let their money earn interest for the full year plus the 3 and 1/2 months of the following year, then just write one big check on April 15th. 

BTW, if we all did that, wrote a check for the full amount at tax time rather than never seeing the money as it is withheld from us, do you think taxes would be as high as they are?? Doubt it.... 
 
  
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